Cherub
February 6th, 2008, 11:45 pm
Ok folks I was reading up on some stuff that I'd heard a long time ago
And perhaps you history buffs would like to make it more interesting by adding your insight
I was reading something to the effect that the UP used to belong to the Feds and they gave it to Michigan because of a dispute Michigan and Ohio was having over Toledo
The two states were getting ready to come to blows over the ownership of Toledo
Is this info completely correct, partly or waaay off base
Please share what you know
EMUJeff
February 13th, 2008, 6:07 pm
There was a war for the "Toledo Strip". Finally it was settled in 1836.
I quote here from Wikipedia:
"In December 1836 the Michigan territorial government, facing a dire financial crisis, surrendered the land under pressure from Congress and President Andrew Jackson and accepted a proposed resolution adopted in the U.S. Congress. Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula. Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan at the time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the loss of the strip."
This is a fascinating bit of our history. Thanks for making me look into it more. I wonder if anyone else has insight into this event?
EMUJeff
donnabird
February 14th, 2008, 2:45 pm
I found this information on the mi gov site i this certainly was interesting i never knew about this.
The Toledo War
Lead by Michigan's feisty 22 year old Territorial Governor, Stevens T. Mason, a small 250-person group of volunteers moved toward Toledo to defend their territory from an Ohio take-over.
http://www.michigan.gov/images/oldmimap_9675_7.jpg (http://www.michigan.gov/images/oldmimap_9675_7.jpg)The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 established an east-west line drawn from the southern tip of Lake Michigan across the base of the peninsula. The original line was drawn using maps that showed the line intersecting Lake Erie north of the Maumee River. This is the territorial "line-of- scrimmage" that Ohioans recognized when their constitution was drafted in 1803. When the Michigan Territory was created in 1805, surveyors realized the tip of Lake Michigan was actually further south and included the area that would later become Toledo.
This revelation had the Ohioans in Congress screaming, "Offsides!" They immediately campaigned to have the northern line accepted as the official border. In 1817, U.S. Surveyor General, and former Ohio governor, Edward Tiffin, sent William Harris out to survey the line according to Ohio's constitution. The Michigan Territorial Governor, Lewis Cass, went to President James Monroe to protest the call. John A. Fulton was called into the fray to make another survey of the disputed claim in accordance with the Northwest Ordinance.
It was not surprising that the two surveys resulted in two lines eight miles apart at Lake Erie and five miles apart at the Indiana border, with a total of 468 square miles in between. Although Ohio still claimed the Toledo Strip as its own, the squabbling momentarily ceased and Michigan quietly assumed jurisdiction over the area.
The controversy heated up again when Michigan sought admission to the union on December 11, 1833. In spite of Michigan's presence in the Toledo Strip, Ohio Congressmen successfully lobbied to block Michigan's acceptance as a state until it agreed to Ohio's version of the boundary. Massachusetts Representative, and former President, John Quincy Adams, supported Michigan saying, "Never in the course of my life have I known a controversy of which all the right so clearly on one side and all the power so overwhelmingly on the other."
Ohio's position was so strong that Governor Robert Lucas refused to negotiate with Michigan over the issue. Michigan's territorial council countered by passing a resolution that would impose heavy fines on anyone other than Michigan or federal officers trying to exercise jurisdiction in the Toledo Strip. In a blatant act of defiance, Governor Lucas turned the disputed region into a county named after himself and appointed a sheriff and judge. Michigan's "boy governor" had had enough! Stevens T. Mason mobilized his troops and headed towards Ohio. The Toledo War had begun.
The War involved more saber-rattling and one-upmanship than it did shooting and blood-letting. For instance, after the Ohio legislature voted to approve a $300,000 military budget, Michigan upped the ante by approving one with $315,000. Michigan's militia did end up arresting some Ohio officials, capturing nine surveyors, and firing a few shots over the heads of others as they ran out of the area. But only Ohio inflicted any casaulties, when a buckeye named Two Stickney stabbed a Michigan Sheriff during a tavern brawl.
When President Andrew Jackson stepped in, the war ended. Jackson removed Mason from office and the militia commander, General Joseph W. Brown disbanded his troops. But Congress still held Michigan statehood hostage until it agreed to Ohio's claims. The citizens of Michigan set up a state government anyway, and elected Stevens T. Mason governor.
Michigan eventually became the 26th state of the union, on the 26th of January, 1837. But its territory did not include the Toledo Strip. Instead, it gained title to the western three-quarters of the upper peninsula as compensation; 9,000 square miles of the most valuable timber, iron, and copper country in America.
Like so many of the gridiron battles that continue to rage today, a game isn't decide on one play, but a series of plays. Poor officiating may have taken Michigan officially out of the campaign for the Toledo Strip, but in retrospect, it's obvious who won the War.
http://www.michigan.gov/dmva/0,1607,7-126-2360_3003_3009-16934--,00.html
Harrison
February 14th, 2008, 5:13 pm
Wow! Thanks, Donnabird, that was fascinating reading!!! I really like former President Adams quote about being so right on the one side and being so powerful on the other side!
EMUJeff
February 14th, 2008, 5:18 pm
I know people didn't tend to live that long in the 1800's but a 22-year-old territorial governor?
Thanks for this detailed lesson. Ohio Buckeyes have been trying to stick it to us much longer than I thought.
Anyway, I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Nations come in to this world like illegitamate children; half improvised and half compromised".
EMUJeff
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